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When Docs Get Annoyed At Empowered Patients

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I felt my ire rise when I read this article on CNN about how patients are giving their doctors headaches. Apparently, this video entitled “The Patient Who Knows Too Much”, which is part of a training program aimed at doctors to help them deal with “difficult patients,” has caused quite a stir.

Elizabeth Cohen, my friend and Senior Medical Correspondent at CNN writes about a fictitious patient named "Will," who is represented by a nerdy looking avatar holding a laptop computer, peppering his doctor with questions and information he has learned online about his disease. She writes:

In the presentation, three doctors comment on the challenges Will poses.

"They consider themselves an expert yet often their true medical knowledge is quite limited," says Dr. Joseph Scherger, vice president for primary care at Eisenhower Medical Center in Rancho Mirage, California, who says patients like Will are "indiscriminate" about the material they read online.

"Patients who present their expertise as telling you how to practice medicine are implicitly discounting your expertise," adds Leonard Haas, a psychologist at University of Utah School of Medicine.

"Sometimes these patients are very overweight. They're out of shape," Scherger adds. "They're on the Internet all the time."

When I read this, my blood started to boil and I had to do a little loving kindness meditation aimed at doctors to calm myself down. So I’m about to rant, but hopefully I’ll be more loving than I would have been a few minutes ago.

You’ve been properly warned.

How Dare They?


Even the title of that video is condescending - the patient who knows too much. After all, how can an empowered patient know too much?

As a physician, I know EXACTLY what kind of patient these doctors are talking about. They show up with ten pages of info they’ve downloaded off the internet, and some of it is from sites of questionable repute, often bordering on, or flat out stepping plainly into, propaganda.

When you’ve got ten minutes with the patient, as the physician, you may feel frustrated having to read, interpret, and explain what they’ve downloaded, especially if it goes against the treatment plan you’ve carefully crafted.

But That’s Your Job, Doc


I’m sorry. No offense, docs. But this is our JOB. We are teachers, healers, educators. It is our JOB to help our patients navigate their medical decisions with compassion, patience, and an open mind.

Our patients know their bodies better than we will ever know. We may have gone to school for a decade to learn about the human body, but we do not live in the body of our patients. Only they have the power to tap into their intuition and know what is best for them. And we are thwarting the process if we get in the way of that self-healing process.

Education Is Empowering


When you are sick - especially when you are sick with a rare disease - you may wind up knowing more about your illness than your doctor does. And more power to ya! It’s your body after all. Your doctor may not have time to go to the library and pull every article ever published about your rare condition, but you may be able to do that, and the internet makes it easier than ever to do so.

This is part of what I do in my medical practice. I work one-on-one with patients in extended sessions helping them navigate the scientific literature, answering their questions about what they’ve read on the internet, doing my own research and translating it into plain language for them in order to help them make the best decisions possible, advocating on their behalf and calling their own physician, if necessary, listening to their intuitive hunches, and empowering them to learn the tools necessary to heal themselves.

This service is desperately needed because so many doctors are dismissive of an empowered patient who wants to fully understand her health condition so she can make the best choice possible for herself.

An Empowered Choice


Take my patient - we’ll call her Eloise - who found out she carried the breast cancer gene (BRCA). The presence of this gene means she has a very high lifetime risk of developing breast cancer or ovarian cancer, so her doctor recommended that she have her breasts, ovaries, and uterus all hacked out.

She was like “Not so fast, buster.”

So we spent hours in sessions together, reviewing the medical literature, reviewing the alternatives, playing every possible scenario out to its best and worst possible outcome, tapping into Eloise’s intuitive wisdom about what was right

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TheFeministBreeder 5 pts

When I told my OB that I didn't want to have a second unnecessary cesarean, he practically patted me on the head and told me not to worry about it. When I brought in my plans to do things more naturally the second time around - like not have Pitocin unnecessarily - he accused me of "internet shopping" for my health care. I wasn't allowed to have an opinion about what happened to my uterus. He didn't understand why I even cared.
I got my VBAC, no thanks to him. The second time, I found a midwife whose philosophies about informed consent were much more in line with my own (very educated, highly researched) opinions, and had myself a nice little home birth.

The doctors and hospitals lost my business when they treated me like I was not allowed to have an opinion about my maternity care. I thank you for being a doctor who believes in informed consent and the empowered patient. Can we clone you, please?

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Overflowing Brain 5 pts

I also should've said that I'm a huge believer in second opinions. And ultimately if you can't trust your doctor, I think you should find a new one. The doctor patient relationship has two parts, and both have to be open to listening to the other for it to work.

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Overflowing Brain 5 pts

So I have another perspective on this. I'm a patient with chronic pain who is also finishing a health science degree (will be an independent clinician in May) and I'm married to a doctor. And honestly, I believe that the person who comes in with 10 pages of Internet "research" and demands 10 tests is usually not empowered.

I'm not saying this is 100% true, but these patients tend to be the ones who do not work with their doctors, they work against them. They refuse medications without understanding the reason they need it, they refuse tests because someone on a message board told them about a side effect. Most doctors are frustrated by these patients because they are extremely difficult to work with. It's not that these docs don't care it's that they can't help people who trust the Internet before they trust their own doctor. My husband had a child in his care almost die because the "empowered" parents refused the necessary antibiotics for a rapidly spreading infection because they googled it and discovered that diarrhea was a side effect.

In my opinion an empowered patient does quality research (for the lovd of God, get off WebMD) and has a dialogue with their doctor. They don't demand tests and pills, they ask questions but also give their doctor time to answer and they trust those answers.

I realize my opinion may not be a popular one and I read the original CNN article and agree that their portrayal of that patient was pretty harsh. But I think that we have to remember that the doctors aren't the only ones who are wrong from time to time.

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Suzanne Suzannadanna 5 pts

From a patient with many chronic health issues.

I don't expect my vascular surgeon to understand my Chiari I issues, nor do I expect my allergist to be an expert on RSD. It is MY job as a patient to be informed on my health and to share that information with my healthcare providers.

By exploring (reputable) sites that provide information about my particular situation, I am able to go into the appointment and understand the reasons why my doctor will prefer to follow one treatment protocol.

Then again, I appear to have doctors who prefer having patients who are willing to do the legwork to understand their own health.

To the doctors who created that presentation: if you're wondering why you had a decent initial appointment with a patient, then never saw them again, this is why.

Dr. Rankin, thank you. Practicing medicine is a partnership, and I am so glad you understand that.

Suzanne www.suzannesez.blogspot.com ( http://www.suzannesez.blogspot.com )

a wife 5 pts

While I agree that every patient needs to be empowered to question and make the medical decision that works for them. I don't have a problem with doctors being given training about handling patients with a stack full of literature. Doctors go to school for many years to learn their craft and I think there needs to be some sort of line and respect given to the education they have, I think the fear is the possibility of lawsuits. And I wonder if the patient that you counseled and came up with the plan of not removing her uterus, if she does develop Cancer will she sue? Also, the costs involved for testing will go through the roof if Doctors preform every test a patient requests. While I think there needs to be a balance the bottom line is you need to find a doctor that you trust, will listen to you and you can make health care decisions together. If you don't have that, then find someone else. It is a choice but I don't have any outrage regarding doctors learning how to protect themselves either.

unlucky_in_love 5 pts

I practice (PA) in a small rural town so specialists and research centers are not in the next building over. I love when my patients are educated through reliable websites and say "I don't want antibiotics if I don't need them". I, like you, also have the frustrationn of dealing with the ones who are CONVINCED they have something "wrong" ie: "I HAVE to have a thyroid problem or anemia because I am so fatigued" because it can't be because you have a BMI of 38, still smoke and refuse to change.
I am hoping someday there will be better "policing" of websites that provide medical information. I always tell my patients the ones I like-like WebMD, Medline etc. I also tell them I could make up a website and tout myself as a perinatal oncologist - but that doesn't mean it's true.

butterfly.pro 5 pts

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I would like to let every doctor out there know, that while it may be your job, it is our bodies and our lives. As a patient we expect our doctors to be experienced and knowledgable, but we also realize they are human. Therefore we hope they will cut us some slack when we advocate for ourselves because as we all know: "to err is human." I was once told by a doctor that the patients who "yell the loudest", while they might not be the best liked, receive the best care. So do you want to be liked or healthy?

MenopauseChat 5 pts

I feel that going to the doctor should be right up there with any kind of important decision we make it our lives. It's our health we're talking about. Sure, doctors have gone to school for a very long time but I know my body better than anyone else. What's wrong with speaking up?

With that said, doing a Google search every time you have an ache or pain can probably cause a lot of unnecessary anxiety.

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notemily 5 pts

I have a couple of experiences that have made me aware that doctors don't know everything. First, when I was 18 and going on meds for ADHD, my pediatrician insisted on prescribing them to me (rather than having my psychiatrist do it). He gave me the wrong dosage. I'm not talking 10mg instead of 20mg. He prescribed me the long-acting version of the drug as if it were short-acting. A drug that lasts all day, he told me to take once every six hours. It was only because I knew about the various kinds of ADHD drugs from my own research (and friends on similar medication) that I caught the mistake.

The other is with my gynecologist. I've been seeing her for years and I respect her, but when she put me on the birth control Yaz a few years ago, I was a little concerned. I had been hearing about lawsuits from people who had experienced fatal blood clots after being on Yaz. I asked her about it, and she said she hadn't heard anything about that. I know doctors are busy, but there were (and still are) multiple news reports about the lawsuits, and I expected her to have heard about them. This isn't a huge deal because I don't smoke or have other risk factors for blood clots, but if I did, I would have expected her not to prescribe the drug to me until more was known about it.

These aren't huge issues, but when a doctor only has ten minutes to talk to me about something, but I have hours to do research on the same thing, I think I'm entitled to have an opinion. If doctors could actually spend more than ten minutes on each patient, I might have more faith in them.

Gena Haskett 5 pts

I get that there are doofy patients as well as goofy doctors. With or without the Internet be the same way.

It seems that what you and the other lady are really talking about is desiring that the tools, skills and research methods uses by patients were better.

Me too! We want the same things.

Where can you go for a health literacy tutorial? How do you know that page you are looking at is a sale site from a pharmaceutical company?

Part of the problem is that the medical profession has not reclaimed patient information. We had to go else where or create our own resources.

I couldn't wait for doctors and health professionals to catch up.

Gena Haskett is a BlogHer Contributing Editor. My Blogs: Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ) and Create Video Notebook ( http://createvideonotebook.blogspot.com )

Gena Haskett 5 pts

I have experienced the other side of this conversation where nothing, I mean nothing I say or even question has a validity. I am to accept what the doctor says without questions, just head knods?

No. Not Ever Again.

I have experienced this with doctor when I knew nothing about a situation and when I have walked in the door informed.

Part of why folks hit the Internet for research is that there is almost no time to talk with a doctor if you are lucky enough to have access.

Many folks don't. A lot of times the doctor will tell you what you have and give you pills but you don't understand the full complexity of what is the problem.

I'll take empowerment over doctor worship any day.

Certainly you should not self-diagnose or fall into bogus health sites but questions can save your life or the quality of your life.

Gena Haskett is a BlogHer Contributing Editor. My Blogs: Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ) and Create Video Notebook ( http://createvideonotebook.blogspot.com )