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When Unwanted Advancements Go Too Far

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I'd like to take back any mean thing I've said about being the recipient of unwanted advancements in a bar. Although these situations can be annoying -- especially if I'm talking to a friend at the time, or I'm trying my hardest NOT to look at that person (which should be a good clue) -- most of the people I encounter in regular bars are polite and unthreatening.

This was not the case last weekend when I was hanging out in DC. Even though I live just a few miles outside of Washington, DC in northern VA (and work in the city five days a week), I rarely spend time there at night.

(I’m not implying that the location itself was the sole factor. It was Halloween night, and I was dressed…provocatively, I guess you could say -- which is something I don’t normally do. I’m not saying this excuses bad behavior in any way, just that it might have played a role.)

The thing is, though, I was hit on at least three different times, none of them were handled the right way, and all of them made me feel very uncomfortable. And because of what happened, it makes me a little wary of putting myself in a similar situation.

Here's what happened:

Scenario 1: Being Physically Grabbed

Walking through the second floor of the Hard Rock Cafe, several paces behind my friends (I was wearing high heels, so I couldn't walk as fast as I normally do). My progress was abruptly halted when someone grabbed my arm and pulled me toward him. “Why are you all by yourself, sweetheart?” he asked. "I'm not," I said as I jerked my arm away and continued walking.

(Internal thoughts: "Really, dude? Grabbing my arm?")

Scenario 2: Not Getting the Hint

Same location, but standing near the downstairs dance floor with a female. A man approaches and starts talking to me. Keeps saying stuff like, “I know I need to leave you alone,” and “I don’t want to stick around here and hit on you,” but he didn’t leave until I got on the phone (purposefully, so he would go away).

(Internal thoughts: I was trying not to be rude, but I should have done/said something sooner.)

Scenario 3: Being asked for personal Information

Waiting at a Metro station with the same female, trying to get home. A visibly drunk man approaches and asks me, “Where are you going?”

Me: "I don't feel comfortable giving you that information."

Him: "Well, there are only so many stops on this line."

Me [thinking, 'Is he going to follow me to see where I get off?']: "Look, I'm talking to my friend right now."

Him: “Fine! That’s what I get for telling you that you’re beautiful.”

(Internal thoughts: “Um, no, crazy man. That's not what you said. But thanks. Now go away.”)

I’ve also been harassed by someone in a car once, while I was on foot. And a few months ago, at a bar in Alexandria, a man that my roommate and I were having a friendly conversation with became overly aggressive and tried to pull up my shirt ("to see if I had a belly-button ring" was his explanation). Luckily a male friend arrived just then and stepped in to help.

Did you get that last sentence? "Luckily a male friend arrived just then and stepped in to help.”

In the three scenarios I listed from Halloween night, the common denominator was that I was alone, or standing with another female -- there were no guys around at the time. It kind of upsets me that the presence of another male would most likely have thwarted all those things from happening. While I appreciate having a protector, I shouldn’t need one.

I won’t stay away from places I want to go if I only have a female with me, but maybe I’ll start wearing a shirt that says, “Keep Away or my Boyfriend Will Kick Your Ass.”

Have you guys experienced anything similar? Have you noticed that the presence of a male friend/boyfriend tends to keep unwanted advancements at bay?

Related Reading:

When Cheri got hit on by a creepy guy while riding a bus, she used the common stand-by line, “I have a boyfriend.”

Natalie couldn’t get rid of a guy at work who was bothering her, so she decided to “take a big swig from my water bottle to flash him my sparkly wedding ring diamond.” He retreated

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susan mernit 5 pts

Zan, you need to vocalize what you want and what you feel clearly to people who invade your space. Try phrases like:
Do not touch me again and I am not interested in talking with you right now if you feel someone is pressing in  too close and too agressively, Predatory men seize on women who they think they can push around; being gentle doesn't work well as a response with someone who has already cross a line--like the man who grabbed your arm.

Of course, these behaviors will elicit, "Geeze, what a bitch!" as they turn and walk away, but...they walk away and look for someone to bother who will be less trouble. 

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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

I would love something like this on a small card that I could keep in my wallet.

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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

Wow, I love this! What an important pledge.

And because so often our first reaction is to "not get involved," I really think that consciously reading this and committing to this way of being is so important to do *before* we are in the situation, because then when we are in the situation the light comes on and we are empowered to act as we desire to act.

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Bill Cammack 5 pts

haha I'm glad you were kidding about the shirt. :)  However, the song remains the same for a wedding ring.  It's not the spectre of some unknown male, looming in the shadows, prepared to swoop down from the rafters and attack a guy that approaches you that makes a difference.  Guys have to SEE the guy that's with you AND respect him to the degree that they'll leave you alone.

Your only other option is DiY... Do it Yoursef, and decide that you're going to physically stop guys from grabbing you or following you or whatever they're doing on your own.

It's a 'sticky wicket', but like I said, AWARENESS is the key to everything.  Have fun, but stay safe while you're doing it.  That goes for guys as well.  If there's a band a guy wants to see, but it's playing at a club that's famous for fights, he might want to rethink his desire to see that band on that night and balance it against his willingness to defend himself instead of just having a good time and listening to music.

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Zandria 5 pts

Looks like a great idea -- I'll check it out. Thanks, Liz!

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Zandria 5 pts

Unfortunately, I know the shirt wouldn't make a difference -- and neither would a fake wedding ring, I imagine. Being aware of my surroundings is definitely the best bet.

Thanks for the links, Bill! I'll definitely check them out.

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Sillycakes 5 pts

There's also the factor that a certain kind of man actually WANTS to scare you, because he enjoys the power of it.  Those are the ones I really can't stand...and because I'm always on the lookout for them, I have to make a point of never showing that I am scared.  Isn't that sad?

Zandria 5 pts

I have issues with being "too nice," too. Which is unfortunate, because these guys don't deserve politeness if they're not treating me with respect.

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Zandria 5 pts

Luckily, most people can be ignored. It's the other ones (especially when it happens multiple times in one night) that really get to me.

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Zandria 5 pts

But good for your friend for taking it on!

I can't see myself reacting physically, either -- at least not unless I was being attacked (which, thankfully, has never happened). I keep thinking I should take a self-defense class, to be prepared "just in case."

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Liz Henry 5 pts

Take a look at the Open Source Backup Project ( http://community.livejournal.com/backupproject/105... ). Everyone look out for each other, and speak up when you see women being harassed.

( http://www.flightpapers.org/oswbeou/pledge%20(whit... )

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Bill Cammack 5 pts

That's a good idea about the T-Shirt, Zandria..... on paper.

In reality, it won't work because you STILL won't have a man near you that the guy thinks could kick his ass.  It's not having any lame male around you that makes you less likely to be harassed.  It has to be that the guy doesn't want to potentially suffer the consequences of upsetting the guy(s) you're with.

Is that fair?  no.  Is that unfortunate?  yes.  Is that reality?  definitely.

The way you were dressed has less to do with the situation than the fact that the guys that do that just don't care about what you think or want.  All they care about is "getting on".  If they can try to hook up with you without getting themselves in a fight, that's what they're gonna do.

As you noticed, having more females around isn't going to make a difference, because THEY'RE not going to kick his ass, either.

The best advice I can give women is to remain aware of your surroundings and try to notice where the nearest police are located, or in the case of a club, where the bouncers are.  Your safety is more important than your pride.  That whole "I can go anywhere I want" thing is where a lot of women (and men) receive rude awakenings.

Save that for the televison docu-dramas and recognize that guys are going to take advantage of you any chance they get. Awareness is key.

If you're interested in any background reading on this topic, try:

http://billcammack.com/2008/07/25/why-guys-catcall...

http://billcammack.com/2008/02/27/does-it-matter-w...

http://billcammack.com/2007/01/12/hollaback-girls/

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thesassykathy 5 pts

Hi Zandria,  

So sorry to hear about your Halloween traumas!  It is a tricky predicament (as you know from my creepy 50 yr old man story).  I think my problem is that my parents raised me too well!  I've been trained to be polite, which is not the solution to escape from an uncomfortable situation... I don't know what it is, but I really ONLY get hit on by older men.  It's very bizarre, especially since most people tell me I look young for my age.

Zandria 5 pts

It's hard to get away from being the "nice girl" who doesn't want to cause a scene. I've traveled by myself before, including internationally, so I haven't let the possibility of being harassed stop me -- but I could definitely use some extra confidence when it comes to standing up for myself.

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Judith in Umbria 5 pts

These men are treating you like property.  They back off if it looks like you belong to another man, won't leave you alone if you appear to be "up for grabs."  Stop being good girls, nice girls.  You will never be free until you can say "go away" and make it happen.  If you can't go to a city bar in the metro area where you live, how will you ever travel around the world on your own, or do business in other cities?  You should not need another female nor a man with you to do what you want, where you want, when you want without being harrassed.  Period.

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SINgleGIRL 5 pts

Yeah, a short skirt or a particularly feminine outfit might attract a bit more unwanted male attention.  And there are men who are going to inappropriately hit on you no matter what you're wearing.  For me the important thing is to not let myself be controlled by the potential unwanted attention.  I am careful and cautious and sane but I'm going to wear what I want and go where I want.

I've had men touch me inappropriately in bars (my least fave is the heavy hand on the shoulder) and say rude things on the street.  I ignore what I can and tell the others I'm not interested in the plainest terms possible. I feel that I owe it to myself to live as freely and honestly as possible.  

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Revanche 5 pts

And I'd like to think that I would respond very strongly to that, but I don't think I've ever been in that situation.  Verbally, yes, physically no.  If I'm not creeped out by the verbal comments, if they're not offensive, I just smile and walk away.  If they are creeping me out, I tend to look them right in the eye and make my displeasure/disgust obvious. They usually back off after that. 

We've had situations where our male protector had problems with other guys hitting on us girls, and I have to say, I get more defensive of HIM because he's got six gals or more to "take care of" and some guys take that as an opportunity to get very aggressive than when the girl simply rejects him.  

Zandria 5 pts

I like the idea of simply spelling it out to them: "You know, guys should understand that it's actually scary when they follow women who are by themselves!"

But like you said, some people won't get the hint no matter what. (I can't believe that experience you had at Lilith Faith! Gross!)

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Atena 5 pts

 I remember when I was about 23 being followed by a clearly drunk guy on my way home.  My only concern was that I lived really close to the train station I was exiting, and didn't want him to follow me home.  After a very clear, 'No thanks.' he was still trying to flatter and flirt and I turned to him and said "You know, guys should understand that it's actually scary when they follow women who are by themselves!"

He looked shocked for a moment and seemed to sober up a bit.  He began to back away, saying "Oh no - I didn't mean it like that at ALL!"  And I knew he "didn't mean it that way," but some women have been hurt or threatened, and even seemingly-innocent overtures can cause a lot of anxiety.  I hope he wasn't too drunk to remember what I told him.

Some guys have no idea the power they may have.  Sometimes it's a nuisance, sometimes it's kind of hilarious, and sometimes it's alarming (when I was about 19, at the Lilith Fair a guy accosted me and a female friend and aggressively explained how he wanted to drive his tongue straight up my @ss.  At the LILITH FAIR!  Take no refuge for granted!).

And I totally agree with Maria - clothes, makeup, the attention you give or don't give, the size and shape of your body - ultimately all of these factors are extraneous to the fact that someone has decided to talk to you and feels entitled to your response.  I've always chalked it up to the sense of entitlement afforded by male privilege.  

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Zandria 5 pts

Hahaha! I was thinking about breaking out a paper bag when I go out in public, with two eye-holes cut out so I can see. Think that'll work?

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Maria Niles 5 pts

How dare you be so beautiful? Stop it!

ROTFL :D

Zandria 5 pts

Yep. Because it's 100% the woman's fault for "tempting" them. :)

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Maria Niles 5 pts

I'm sure it makes it easier to justify in their minds for many men that those factors make it somehow OK to make or persist with unwelcome advances.

Zandria 5 pts

I know that some men will not be dissuaded from their mission no matter what you're wearing (pretty crazy about the man in the grocery store!), and there will always be occasions when the presence of another male won't help, either. I'm just saying I definitely noticed a difference the night I dressed differently, and also when my male friend wasn't there, so I'm sure those are factors for some people.

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Zandria 5 pts

With that kind of introduction, does the arm-grabber really expect me to fawn over him? I don't think so...

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Zan,

I don't think how you were dressed or even the lack of a male presence would have necessarily changed things. I've received unwanted attention regardless. In fact I am currently swathed in ill-fitting yoga pants, over sized tee, denim jacket, running shoes and sporting hair that is in desperate need of dying and getting did. Susan Wagner, Tim Gunn, Stacy and Clinton would all be rightfully horrified by my inability to learn their lessons. Nevertheless I was just followed and pestered in the produce section by a guy who told me that my beauty caused him to wreck the motorized shopping cart he was riding.

I've know women who've at the extreme end have been physically molested even though they were with a man at the time. Some men might see it as a challenge to "get" you anyway and others, as long as they think that you don't "belong" to a man you are with will take it as a green light to pursue your attention.

I think your approach to be smart and sensible but not allow yourself from being stopped from going out in the world is the best approach.

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Super Jive 5 pts

Sadly, yes, I'm sure it did. But we know we should be treated respectfully no matter how we dress or look.

I don't get hit on a lot (having two small children is like the opposite of a sexy costume, ho ho), but I have certainly been approached respectfully many times, so I know the difference. I have come to the conclusion that catcallers and arm grabbers don't want or expect a positive outcome, despite their "hey I'm just tryin' to talk to you here/tell you you're pretty" etc.

SJ

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Zandria 5 pts

I think the way I was dressed that night probably played a big role in the way I was treated -- which is unfortunate. Even though I don't typically wear ultra-short dresses in public, it would be nice to have the option without worrying about fending off advancements left and right.

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Zandria 5 pts

I'm not sure what I would have done, either. I mean, it makes sense to report a perv in the library -- but technically I could have reported the drunk guy in the Metro. Are most female reactions to this behavior simply to ignore it?

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Super Jive 5 pts

This is something I struggle with, because I look very feminine, which I like doing, and which unfortunately often sends the message that you are dying to be talked to by some men. I think about periods in my life when I have had short hair, dressed plainer, less makeup, and there was certainly a difference. It makes me angry that if I want to be left alone I can guarantee it by altering my appearance to something that I am less happy with.

I just remind myself that the fact that some men have that sense of entitlement that they can start in on jerky things is not my fault, and it does none of us any good to be polite or quiet.

The problem is, while loudly saying "Don't talk to me" in the face of inappropriate advances may stop that interaction, I highly doubt it would make most perpetrators stop and question their actions. You just become that "crazy bitch," which I have been called more than once. (This lets me know I am getting my point across.)

Still, I am not going to stop being that crazy bitch. I refuse to smile or hedge around men who make me uncomfortable in that way.

SJ

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kperfetto 5 pts

About a year ago while I was in the library, a man came up behind me and whispered "Sweet, sweet baby," in my ear. That, by far, was the creepiest unwanted advancement. I just got out of there. Stupidly, I didn't think to report it, and I'm not even sure of their policy. Sorry to say that they usually don't much if there hasn't been any physical contact. 

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