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Last week, BlogHer CE Lanaid's post raised the issue of racial biases among ethnic minorities in America: A former  professor of Indian-origin, who was unhappy that his son (then 19 years old with no college degree) had married an African-American woman, allegedly ordered his daughter-in-law to be killed. Lanaid's post has details about the case, so I'll skip those. What I'll attempt to do here is look at the role that race and skin color play in India (and, I am guessing, in a large part of the sub-continent).

You will find this post chock-a-block with likely's, probably's and maybe's. That's because I'm just beginning to dig deeper. Ideas and experiences are more than welcome.

Before I tread that dreaded path, a quick note about the Sparkle Rai case: This is a murder. No matter how racially, ethnically or culturally we try to define it, it is still a murder and there is no excuse for it. Contrary to some of the comments I have read on related blogs, this will be considered and prosecuted as a murder in India as well. If he did "get away" with it in India, it would be more due to bad policing than any cultural or legal sanction. However, what he may have gotten away with is his belief that his son was marrying the "wrong girl" and that he had to try hard to "fix the problem".

To discuss this fairly, it is absolutely essential that we decouple this case and how race plays out in America, from India's cultural and color biases. They are different. It's complicated, I know, but that's the only way it can be understood. There's never a single all-encompassing answer to any question about India.

Indians and race: What race do Indians belong to? I haven't the foggiest idea. There have been several theories about our racial roots, none too conclusive. Given the influx of foreign settlers over thousands of years, and the range of skin tones but roughly similar features that we share, we are probably a mash-up of several races. 

Blogger Nita made an attempt to understand the complexities of India's racial origins. Her post led me to an Indian government policy not to track race:

 

Pursuant of the policy of the Govt. Of India to discourage community distinction based on Caste, the 1951 Census marked a complete departure from the traditional recording of Race, Tribe or Caste and the only relevant question on caste or tribe incorporated in the Census Schedule was to enquire if the person enumerated was a member of any 'Scheduled Caste', or any 'Scheduled Tribe' or any other 'Backward class' or if he was an 'Anglo Indian'.

In 1961 and 1971 Censuses the information was collected only for each Scheduled Caste and Scheduled Tribe.

So, Indians, by definition, don't view each other by race the way it is understood in America. But we do differentiate (and discriminate) by region (most often characterized by different languages), caste, religion and class.
As a British colony, India did have its share of a brand of racism. But the British were sent packing, so who are we fighting over? Our own prejudices that we don't believe qualify as "racism".

How do we feel about other more clearly-defined races like Black or White? Mostly, we associate them with their economic, social and historical status: Whites are perceived as educated, smart, successful and well-off; Blacks as predominantly poor, uneducated and hence subjugated.

Also, India's last rulers were white, who held Indians as beneath them. So, it's likely that we think we are equally good and will one day prove to be their equals, but that doesn't necessarily make us compassionate towards other races. Or perhaps, this "insensitivity" or "prejudice" stems from ignorance: In the recent past Indians have had no direct experience of living with people of African origin. They were not in India, but the Europeans were, as was their worldview.

Again, the demarcations are not exact, but these perceptions are likely to play out in a marriage.

India and skin color: Yes, quite a few people in India -- the land of colors where white signifies death and mourning for many --- have a fetish for lighter skin tone. I can't put my finger on where or how this skewed sense of beauty originated. In Hindu pantheon, some of the most powerful and favorite

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Miakoda 5 pts

I'm an Indian woman and I've seen so many matrimonial ads that refer to color that I've become immune to them- I don't even bat an eyelid- same goes for the ads on TV. It's sad, really. There's too much hypocrisy in this country and this love for the 'fair' color is just another example. I've written a sarcastically funny post on the same topic- do check it out!

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snigdhasen 5 pts

Maria, Prisoner's Wife,

Do enlighten us :)

snigdhasen 5 pts

Nita, convert that draft into a post! Would LOVE to read your ideas, analysis and experiences. It can only help further the discussion.

I think it's high time we wrote and discussed this issue more seriously. I saw this new Ponds White Beauty ad (for a pinkish-white glow). ( http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=lJhSogkI284&feat... )I understand it may be too early to judge how the ad will finally end, but who are they selling the "pinkish white glow" to? How can a brown person ever look pinkish-white?

Seriously...

Nitajk 5 pts

Snigdha, as you said its a complicated subject and I have a draft post on this!

Overall though people tend to think of colour as an attribute of beauty.

And also, honor killings are carried out in some feudal families but more because marriages are out of caste and creed, not because of colour. In fact marrying outside caste and religion gets people's hackles up, and some criminal minded people kill. but there is trouble even without this.

There was a well publicised case of a famous industrialist whose son committed suicide because his parents could not accept his marriage to a white girl. Happened in London. 

Thanks for the link 

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theprisonerswife 5 pts

I will have to ask. You're probably right in terms of marriage, but i'll ask to make sure. He's from Jamaica, where the Indian population isn't as large as on other islands such as Trinidad or Grenada.

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Maria Niles 5 pts

Interesting question, Snigdha! I'll have to ask him - it's not something we've ever talked much about.

I do know though that his understanding of race and on that side of my family is different from my mother's descended-from-slaves, African American side.

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An alien earthling 5 pts

Snigdha, unlike some other states, where surnames may or may not reveal the caste, Tamil surnames were just the names of the castes/sub-castes, though a very few may have also reflected the place where the person hailed from. When Tamils dropped their surnames completely, it became impossible to identify the person's caste from his/her name as the full name consists of just the first name of the person and the first name of his/her father or the first name of the husband in the case of many married women. (Now ofcourse, the law has been modified to allow the mother's first name or initial(s) to be used instead of those of the father.)

Actually, the Tamil naming system (as well as that of some Malayalees) is very, very similar to that of the Icelanders. The Icelanders just have a first name and add their father's first name (sometimes the mother's first name) along with a suffix son or dottir.

Icelandic names - wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_name )

This is a very unique system when the rest of the world uses surnames or family names. Some Tamils of earlier generations (especially those living in other states/countries) may continue to use surnames because it is easier to fill up forms where surnames are required. But most people of my parents' generation and almost everyone in my generation don't use surnames at all!

However, I will not claim that casteism is dead in Tamil Nadu. Unfortunately, it still exists in rural areas and in a few backward villages, despicable forms of casteist discrimination like the shameful two-tumbler system still exist, though it is banned by law and the administration and police are supposed to root out such nonsense wherever they find it. Things like letting out houses only for members of one's caste or religion are definitely on the wane, though one may still find classified ads in newspapers that state "vegetarians only".

The politics of AP and Karnataka may be caste based to a large extent, but in Tamil Nadu and Kerala, it is mainly development based politics! That is why, in both states, governments keep changing after every election without exception. Ofcourse, there may be a few small casteist parties, but I am sure the people of TN and Kerala will not allow them to move to the centre-stage.

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snigdhasen 5 pts

Raj, I completely agree that a culture that cannot correct itself and evolve is best dead. But I think that has actually been India's plus point -- we have been by-and-large flexible, and have assimilated so many different cultures over the years.

The problem is with those who refuse to see the need to change.

"(I don't know about other states, but it is not possible to find out the caste of a person from his/her name in Tamil Nadu!)" ---

Are you sure about that? I know some people have started dropping their caste-revealing last names (in some northern states as well, where caste is a big factor), but I know plenty from south (including TN) who continue to use it. In my experience, southerners in general are more conservative, especially about their caste: "To Let: Brahmins Only" ( http://maami.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/to-letbrahmi... ).

TN and AP politics are also heavily caste-based, no?

Growing up in Bengal, I have barely ever experienced this in everyday life.

Your ideas, though, are indeed hard to come by and refreshing. Keep up the spirit!

snigdhasen 5 pts

Thank you, Maria. I'm glad the post was of some use. I recall you mentioning once that your dad was West Indian, right? I wonder if he ever told you about how Indians there interacted with the local population.

That would be interesting information.

SS 

snigdhasen 5 pts

Thanks, Prisoner's Wife :) 

It's a great question you raise about Indians in the Caribbeans. I don't know, do you?

What does your husband say about the relationship between the two groups? My guess is that when it comes to marriage, Indians there would like to stick to their communities, right?

But I am just guessing. Plese enlighten us :)

SS

An alien earthling 5 pts

I was not surprised to read about the murder, Snigdha. Some Indians still have a backward, mediæval, feudal mindset that any amount of education will not remove. Nor will it go away if they go to a different country. They would still carry with them the worst of India wherever they go. Some Indians defend and support the most despicable, inhuman practices like casteism, sati, dowry, discrimination against women, etc. in the name of "culture". Shame on such a "culture"! There is no hope for such a "culture" because it does not have a self-correcting tendency. Anything that does not correct itself deserves to perish completely!

I guess the daughter-in-law was murdered because the son dared to defy the wishes of his father and marry outside the caste and religion (and in this case, race and origin as well). I have heard that some Indian-Americans are even more casteist than most Indians and don't allow their children to marry someone outside their own caste or religion or region. If Mr. Rai had a daughter who married an African-American man, the son-in-law would have been killed, I am sure. The case of Rizwanur Rehman comes to mind. In some backward pockets in India, both the guy and the girl would be killed for marrying outside the caste.

The good thing is that things are changing in India, atleast among the urban, educated youth. I am both happy and proud to say that I do not know what caste my friends (in school and college) and colleagues belong to, though one can know their religion from their names (I don't know about other states, but it is not possible to find out the caste of a person from his/her name in Tamil Nadu!) I give a damn about things like caste and religion!

Those stupid "fairness creams" have a big market in India. And companies come out with "fairness creams" that target men! I have read that Kashmiri men have taken a liking to those stupid "fairness creams". And Kashmiris, in general, are the "fairest" people in India.

Maria Niles 5 pts

What a brilliant job you've done of sorting through and guiding us comprehensively through such complex issues. I appreciate better understanding issues of race, color, ethnicity in other cultures and how they interact with American culture.

Thank you.

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theprisonerswife 5 pts

I still don't understand the idea of killing ANYONE because the family has been "dishonored,"  but that isn't in my cultural make-up. 

You did a good job of sorting through a very convuluted issue. As an outsider, it's easy for me to say..."oh, this guy is a racist!" but then again, I do not know how Indian society works out. 

As an aside...I wonder how East Indians feel about their West Indian counterparts.  I am married to a West Indian (Jamaican) & have W.Indian roots myself, and it seems that the relationship of East Indians in the Caribbean is slightly different. Sure, cultural traditions remain, but are they more accepting of difference? 

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