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Who Should Pay on a Date?

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Some women firmly expect that a guy should pay their way on a date, while on the other end of the spectrum, some women insist on paying their half -- every time, without exception. My feelings on the subject are a bit more fluid. While I appreciate someone offering to pay my way (and will take them up on it if they do), I always try to bring cash so that I can easily hand it over if my offer to pay is accepted. I do have opinions about who should pay on a date -- keeping in mind that if you don’t want to spend big bucks on the first date, that’s okay, too.

Situations where neither person pays anything: it is perfectly acceptable for nothing to be bought for the other person, especially on a first date. Meet somewhere that’s free, like outside, or an inside venue that doesn’t cost anything to get in. I’ve said this on more than one occasion to a male friend who’s complained about the high cost of taking a first date to dinner (especially when he realized pretty quickly that they didn’t have anything in common and he didn’t want to see her again).

Coffee or quick lunch: whenever I meet someone for coffee or a quick lunch (usually during work hours), I arrive a few minutes early, get in line, and order what I want before he gets there. It’s only a few bucks, and it’s something I probably would have bought anyway.

Dinner or alcoholic drinks on the first date: I’ve never gone somewhere ultra-fancy or ultra-expensive for a first date, so I always offer to pay. Most of the time my offer is turned down, but there have been a few times where it’s been accepted (one of those guys I went out with several times after that, so not paying isn't an automatic deal breaker). An exception to this would be...

An expensive venue for dinner/drinks, or a place that the guy has specifically chosen: I don’t have money problems and I could afford to pay for a nice dinner, but the fact of the matter is, most of the time I choose to be conservative with my cash. So if someone invites me to a place that’s obviously pricey, I would expect 1) if it were a first date, that I would halfheartedly offer to pay and he would turn me down, and 2) if we’d been out on a date previously and then he invited me to a pricey place, I would assume that he was paying and I wouldn’t offer.

Subsequent dates, when you’ve made it past #3 or so: time to share. Even if the person with the bigger paycheck (male or female) pays for the expensive dinners, at this point I happily whip out my debit card to pay for drinks, or both of our meals at a less-pricey place.

Even if your dude is generous, or prefers to pick up every bill for dinners out in restaurants (or shows, or whatever else you’re doing), I think it shows that you’re appreciative if you make an effort to pay for other things. Buy the movie tickets online so they’re already paid for before you guys get to the theater. Offer to make dinner one night, or pick up the ingredients if he’s the one being the chef. Make note of something he likes and buy it for him. (Obviously this would be a number of dates in. It’s not the best idea to go around buying random presents for someone you’ve just started seeing.)

Agree? Disagree?

Related Reading:

Babs O'Leary doesn’t approve of splitting the bill on a first date. But, like me, she acknowledges that dates that “won’t break the bank” are perfectly acceptable.

The girls and I had some discussions about going dutch on the first date. I think the general consensus is that is a no-no for us. Simply put, if a man asks a woman on a date he is expected to pay. Now, we understand completely that a man might not want to invest a lot of money into a first date, particularly if he is dating a lot. But that’s not our problem. There are plenty of suitable first dates that won’t break the bank. Meeting for coffee, ice cream or an ice cold cola is perfectly fine for a first date.

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Bill Cammack 5 pts

The way "The Game" works is that guys are attempting to demonstrate to gals how they're going to be taken care of IF they select this particular guy as their boyfriend/husband/whatever.  This is why guys need to pay when they go on dates.  They need to demonstrate that they can afford her.

At the same time.. If the woman wants to be respected in the relationship, she needs to demonstrate that she's not a bum or a leech.  If she wants to have equality or whatever in a relationship, she can't afford for the guy to feel like "I'm paying the bills, so I run the house".  This is why a lot of women insist on paying.

Another reason women should pay is if you don't want to give the signal that the guy is buying you.  I know it sounds antiquated, but the fact remains to this day that some guys feel like when they spend X amount of $$$ on a gal, she owes him (generally meaning sex, or at least a good-night kiss).  Paying your half indicates that nobody owes anyone anything and we've both chipped in for this fun and fantastic evening we spent together.

Having said all that.. I went out with a friend just last night (not a date), who's just been downsized.  I happen to have more work than I want these days, so there was NO WAY I was going to let her pay for anything while I'm currently living large and she's scrambling for work.

I think it also makes a difference how much money each person makes in general.  If I'm out to dinner/drinks with a woman and I'm pulling out cash while she tosses a 'black card' on the table, I might very well end up keeping my (relative) pennies in my pocket, because my meal was a drop in the bucket to her.  Same thing for me if I know that a gal makes infinitely less money than I do.. I'm likely to pick up the tab off of general principle.

So, it's a good question, Z, and a complicated issue.  People tend to read more into who pays than is really there.  Some guys are insulted when women try to pay, because they believe the man should pay, regardless.  Some women are insulted when men try to pay, because they believe they're trying to subjugate or demean them.

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Zandria 5 pts

I'd have to say that I agree with that. :)

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jennygirl69 5 pts

Eve, i just finished my sophomore year at UNC and I would have killed for a free dinner with a cute guy. With all the fees of college and gas, I had no money. I love your feminist side (its pretty hot) but on this on im completely old fashioned. 

evelopez 5 pts

Years ago, in college, I practically arm-wrestled my dates for the check. I was certain that men respected that women were willing and able to pay, and if they didn't respect that, well gosh darnit, I was going to make them.

I'm in my thirties now, and I'm done paying. Especially on a first date. I really think that part of what is going to make a man want to date you is letting him pay for the dates. So, call me old-fashioned, but I'm not going to pull out my wallet - not even for the "fake reach."

Eve

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

If he invites me I'll offer to split. That is fair and equitable. The guy shouldn't have to pony up each and every time. I don't want to pay all the time either.

I would prefer not going any place expensive on the first date. A side benefit is that is a good test if he is open minded or flexible. If he is traditional that can be cool too.

Either way it can be a good conversation starter.

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luiyuming 5 pts

I tend to fall into the category of appreciating a man paying for me on a date, but I'm not adverse to going Dutch especially if we are earning about the same amount. But if he earns much more and suggests expensive acitivities, I would do the "fake reach" but would really hope he pays. Perhaps I'm quite practical in the affairs of the heart :)

Yu Ming

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kazari 5 pts

Whoever asks should pay.  They get to choose the venue, generally, so it makes sense.