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Levi's to Men: Wear the Pants. Women to Levi's: Bad Marketing Decision.

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I was once called a Vietnamese Guerrilla Woman for wearing pants, and now Dockers wants to keep me in a skirt. The Web and twitterverse have been all, well.. atwitter about Dockers' new "pants" commercial.   It really is damned annoying, if clever.

Dockers Wear the Pants
Image source: AdFreak.com

"Once upon a time, men wore the pants, and wore them well."  it shouts (all upper case)  "Women rarely had to open doors and little old ladies never crossed the street alone.  Men took charge because that's what they did."  

When I was a kid, girls weren't allowed to wear pants to school unless the temperature was well below freezing.  Even then, they had to be under skirts.

When I was in college, our gym suits had little skirts.  And lady-like skirts were required for Sunday lunch.

Within a couple of years though, the "pants revolution" began, but they had to be "pants suits" - and not like Hillary's.  These were pants and skirted tops that looked like aprons with sleeves.  And even those were controversial.  One of the bosses at CBS in New York would permit no women in pants in the office.  His researcher Helen put a sign on his door that said "Eva Braun wore pants."  It was funny but it didn't do much good.  It was a long time before pants were ok in the office.

Even a 23-year-old who might figure to be a bit more adventurous was fair game for teasing and worse if she showed up in pants.  All that we take for granted now just wasn't possible then.  To get, and keep a job, a girl had to dress "like a lady."  Often, that was also true to get a date, a bank loan or a decent table in a restaurant.

It's hard to believe now, which is good.  That means we have a new degree of freedom and independence, access to more choices and more ways to live the one life we have.  But it also means that an ad, however clever, and probably conceived and executed with considerable whimsy, can cause such an uproar.  Because nostalgia for being the one who "wears the pants" is only sweet sentiment if you're not one of the ones who wasn't allowed to put them on, one leg at a time or any other way.

Hello Ladies is swearing never to buy Levis (Dockers parent company) again.

Laurie Carlsson writes at Speaking of Women's Rights,

"I can’t speak for potential khaki-consumers everywhere, but the America I live in is working toward equality and acceptance. Let’s hope I am proven correct and this campaign falls flat on its face."

Melissa Boxer, So about what I Said closes her post saying...

"It's a nice play on words (and you all know there's nothing I love more in this world than a good round of funny word play), but in this case? Well, it just gets my shorts in a bunch - word play intended. I can't help but feel this is a step backward, not forward, on the bridge-the-gender-gap trail."

Cynthia Samuels, Partner Cobblestone Associates, LLP Blog and Media Strategies and Content Development Online and on Television   

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abull 5 pts

I am a 20-something who was not around to experience the sort of criticism and degredation that I see described in this post and in the comments that follow. However, I don't think the men that this ad targets are of that age, either. This ad doesn't tell men to demoralize women or revive chauvinistic tendencies; most of them weren't around to see the worst of what those have been. It just tells them to stop being wimpy.

Not sure how many of the women in this thread have been dating 20-something men in the past 10-ish years, but as a strong, professional, independent woman I've found myself embarrassed by how much "manlier" I am than a large percentage of the men out there. My girlfriends tell me that I am not alone.

This ad states, with simplicity and humor, what I and many of my girlfriends have wanted to tell the guys our age: man up. Even though it's a completely superficial venue, I for one applaud these messages; for one, because I don't feel threatened by men, or otherwise insecure, in my stature as a woman; and because we need men to act like they are stronger than we are, whether it's true or not.

Suburban Kamikaze 5 pts

Suburban Kamikaze   It is a rather strange campaign, evoking some insecure throwback of a man intimidated by coffee drinks, salad bars and old women who don't need anyone's help to cross the street. Does this guy even buy his own pants? But I was far too distracted by the Calvin Klein underwear guy on the next page to give it much thought. He looks like he could kick Docker man's ass one-handed, without ever spilling his latte or putting his pants on. That is what you call a hard sell.

SK

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cctate 5 pts

Words may not be ironclad, but in the world of advertising, they are carefully chosen, reviewed and approved. The statement "But today there are questions our genderless society has no answer for. The world sits by as cities crumble..." is pretty strong for a supposedly silly little ad that we shouldn't take seriously, don't you think? Adding cute comments about little old ladies crossing the street just enables people to defend the ad by invoking that age-old stereotype of the humorless feminist. 

Cristina
Working Mom, Democrat, Patriot ( http://workingmomdemocrat.blogspot.com/ )

Csamuels 5 pts

Gena you make my point.  For some of us personal truths can kill a good joke.  

Cynthia Samuels, Partner Cobblestone Associates, LLP Blog and Media Strategies and Content Development Online and on Television   

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Csamuels 5 pts

I agree that we should pick our battles.  And what I was actually saying was that the anger is understandable from those of us who had to fight be able to "wear the pants" in school or work lives.  There was a lot of tongue in cheek in this ad.  But I think for many the memories are such that it just isn't funny for them.

Cynthia Samuels, Partner Cobblestone Associates, LLP Blog and Media Strategies and Content Development Online and on Television   

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Csamuels 5 pts

Well maybe, but pants are SO much easier to operate in.   I'm betting that's a big part of the appeal -- all the way back to Amelia Bloomer ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amelia_Bloomer ) or farther.

Cynthia Samuels, Partner Cobblestone Associates, LLP Blog and Media Strategies and Content Development Online and on Television   

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Csamuels 5 pts

One of our friends, when my husband was in medical school in the late 70s, was thrown out of an operating room because she wasn't wearing panty hose.  The surgeon accused her of having "perineal fallout" - crotch germs.  There HAS been lots of change.

Cynthia Samuels, Partner Cobblestone Associates, LLP Blog and Media Strategies and Content Development Online and on Television   

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Gena Haskett 6 pts

This isn't about feminism. This is about an ad campaign targeting a perception that the world went to hell when women wore pants. I don't spend my days looking for crap to get upset about. It is all I can do not to respond to 90% of the foolishness floating past my vision. When I see something that should have been handled differently I respond.

It is my right and privileged to do so. Yes, it is personal - when a multi-billion dollar corporation agrees to an ad campaign at the expense of the rights of another person it is personal. 

I get that some of you feel this is a tempest in a teapot kinda thing and we should ignore it.  I know that advertising is designed to attract attention.  Sometimes the choice is made to go for negative attention.  So be it. Most of the time I do ignore it.

This is different and the company needs to be called on playing into older men's fears about equality, women being present in the workforce and being lazy in trying to reach their target market.

Gena Haskett is a BlogHer CE. Blogs:Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ) and Create Video Notebook ( http://createvideonotebook.blogspot.com )

ByJane 5 pts

I come from the same era that Cynthia Samuels does.  I remember not being able to wear pants to class at the University of Pittsburgh.  But still--there are so many more things to get our knickers in a twist about.  One can look at anything and find the sexist, the racist, the ageist, the whatever-ist in it.  Words work that way: they are not ironclad; their meaning depends on the reader.  If you're offended by the ad, best to look to your own house to see if the walls are in good shape.  Maybe the button that got pushed is a personal one.  Maybe you need to shore up your own foundation.  Ack! enough of this metaphor!  

Go read Terry Castle's interview in the NY Times Magazine today.  She was asked if she agrees that lesbians suffer from a paucity of wit.  "Well," she said, "those who drank the Kool-Aid in the '70s in the height of lesbian separatism--a lot of them have ended up in the academic world as historians or sociologists.  And so there is a kind of earnest and stylistically impaired lesbian who is still in existence, like a stegosaurus."  I would argue that the same is true of certain women who fly the feminist banner.  It does not serve our gender at all well.

Jane Gassner

By Jane

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cctate 5 pts

This ad is wrong on so many levels, it's hard to know where to begin. Obviously, by beginning with "Once Upon a Time", there is admission that this is a fairy tale, but unfortunately, it is one that some believe in and that this ad is encouraging. I don't find it humorous at all; I find it quite offensive. And by inserting commentary about serious subjects such as cities crumbling and misbehaving children (which I guess is all those working moms' fault for shirking their home responsibilties), I think any possible humor is completely overshadowed.

Cristina
Working Mom, Democrat, Patriot ( http://workingmomdemocrat.blogspot.com/ )

suebob 7 pts

You nailed it with this, Crabby:

"Imagine a similar kind of campaign in a racial context, subtley suggesting we go back to a time when non-whites "knew their place."

That is exactly the problem with this campaign. I just didn't see it, even though it was right there in front of me. Thanks.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

I find the ad campaign distasteful. It is playing into fears that a limited subset of men have about women. I get that it is supposed to be humorous - to men. I get it that it is a winky-nudge to have guys buy Dockers in an act solidarity with some perceived loss of power.

And I certainly do not object to the target markets need for the product. Goodness knows I see guys every day that need a total clothing intervention.

I wish to hell that somebody in Feminists Communications would put out the memo that I and a good number of women do not object to men opening doors for me - actual physical doors. I do the same for them if I get to the door first. Equal kindness and consideration. Why does it have to be one or the other?

I like courtesy. I try to extend it as well as accepted it. I think many people feel the same way about being courteous and respectful to each other.  We are painfully aware when we encouter a-holes of gender.

What I object to is the concept of implying that because I wear pants I and other women have brought about wars, famine, financial ruin and the loss of societal function of men.

That hunk of crap is what I will always speak up about because it is a lie that codifies multiple lies about women.

So no,  I'm not riled up enough to burn a bra or anything. You check the price of a good one lately? Heaven no. I will do something more threatning. I'll use my voice/keysrokes to say I don't like it.

Because if you don't speak up the lie becomes the truth.

Gena Haskett is a BlogHer CE. Blogs:Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ) and Create Video Notebook ( http://createvideonotebook.blogspot.com )

Crabby McSlacker 5 pts

Yeah, seriously, I think it IS a big deal.  When a major, mainstream company suggests we go back to a time when "men wore the pants," it's extremely offensive to those of us old enough to know what that expression means.  It's means go back to a time when men were in charge and women didn't dare argue about it.  And a time when defying gender roles could get you ostracized, fired, beaten up for being gay, or even arrested.

Imagine a similar kind of campaign in a racial context, subtley suggesting we go back to a time when non-whites "knew their place."

No more Levis or Dockers for me, thanks. 

resolutionromance 5 pts

There are more important things to get worked up about. I'm a feminist, but come on. This ad is referencing a return to basics- have ya seen the pants men have been wearing lately? With the bedazzled pockets? The stiching and the patches?! It's awful, ladies! We need to pick our battles. I pay my own bills, but I still enjoy having a chair pulled out for me. It doesn't make me any less a strong woman.

Gena Haskett 6 pts

You know that is a stunning conclusion that because of what I choose to wear affects the whole society and poor menfolk as a whole. Really, if we had that much power in pants don't you think we would have bathroom equity or something tangible?

I do know it is not good to alienate those members of the population who buy your product. Or those that are married or gonna date people that do.

Gena Haskett is a BlogHer CE. Blogs:Out On The Stoop ( http://outonthestoop.blogspot.com ) and Create Video Notebook ( http://createvideonotebook.blogspot.com )

suebob 7 pts

Gah. I think the world should move the OTHER way - I think we will only be truly equal when men feel free to wear "women's" clothes like pretty sparkly things. Men in drag is seen as so weird/funny/strange because womanhood is seen as less than manhood. When we can all mix it up however we want, we will be a long way toward mental health regarding gender.

bramble 5 pts

I find this add just disgusting with a capital "D." What the h*** were they thinking? Guess I'm going down with Eva Braun (ha!). There was a time when I KNEW I wasn't going to be taken seriously in the medical profession unless I had on a suit with a tailored skirt, but things have changed--or so I thought. I admit to liking a bit of chivalry, if that's what you call opening a door for a lady, but I'd gladly give that up for my pants!

Bramble