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Why Marilyn Monroe's Size Still Matters

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A recent Slate article by Simon Doonan on Marilyn Monroe, "Marilyn Monroe’s Two Secrets," aroused the ire of many readers for its hidden title, "Was Marilyn Monroe Fat?" Doonan claimed to know the answer (No) because he was on hand (as an employee of Christie's auction house) to view some of her last possessions, including clothing:

"Right away, I discovered that Marilyn was shockingly and unimaginably slender. She was sort of like Kate Moss but fleshier on top. Didn’t see that coming, did you? When it came to finding mannequins to fit her dresses, I simply couldn’t. M.M.’s drag was too small for the average window dummy. Smaller “petite” mannequins existed, but I could not bring myself to place Marilyn’s iconic garments on these perky fiberglass dollies."

 

Doonan stacks the deck, because he writes about Marilyn being a size 12, but women's off-the-rack dress sizes have radically changed over the years. What he doesn't address is that most women, Marilyn included, are hardly the same dress size throughout their lives. We put on weight, lose weight, fill out, get pregnant, lose the baby weight, etc. Our teenage bodies are different from our 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. bodies. If Marilyn had lived past 36, she would have continued to fluctuate in weight as many women do, and most likely in an upward trajectory. Case in point Elizabeth Taylor. The author implies that Marilyn's curvy "Some Like It Hot" body would have been wearing the same little black dress she wore when she entertained troops in Korea as Mrs. Joe DiMaggio. Photos show that this probably wasn't the case.

"When you look at Marilyn on-screen and — armed with the information I have just provided — you realize that the busty, ample gal brimming over Tony Curtis in Some Like It Hot is literally one-third your size, you have every right to become suicidal. If she looks like that — zaftig, almost chubby — what on earth would you look like under similar circumstances?"

 

Way to reinforce body-shaming, Doonan. Just look at the black and white photo. She's gorgeous. Chubby? Why does that word even come up?

He also repeatedly calls her "tiny," based on the dresses he found among her belongings, but Monroe's measurements, according to her dressmaker, were 35-22-35 inches, with a bra size of 36D, and height of 5 feet, 5½ inches. I'm a shade under 5 feet 7 inches and people have always considered me medium height to tall.

Regensburg, Germany - A woman walks past ''Before...'' a 2011 artwork by Russian artist Alexander Timofeev at the Leerer Beutel gallery in Regensburg. Personal belongings, clothes and artworks of Marilyn Monroe. The 'MM - Mythos Marilyn' exhibition can be seen until the 26 of June. (Credit Image: © Armin Weigel/DPA/ZUMAPRESS.com)

Marilyn was a classic hourglass, which would have been even more accentuated if she wore a girdle. The Fat Nutritionist has an interesting article about Marilyn, which points out that her "small" dresses might have been a bit of an illusion:

"Also, I’d like to note that a reason occurred to me why Marilyn’s dresses would seem so tiny when viewed in person: Marilyn’s dresses were often sewed onto her and, as Lena Pepitone asserts, her clothes were often so tight that they required regular mending of split seams and zippers. To get her clothing onto a dressform without ripping out seams and re-sewing them, they would have to choose smaller-than-Marilyn dressforms so that the dresses would maintain a normal amount of ‘ease’…though in Marilyn’s lifetime, she wore them without that ease. If you stuffed them as tight as sausage-casings, as she wore them, you could have an accurate 3-D depiction of her nude body size/shape (since it is reported that she didn’t even wear underwear [Lena Pepitone], let alone girdles and other shaping garments popular at the time.)"

 

But the real question about Marilyn is why oh why should it matter what size dress she wore when? Marilyn was beautiful, unique, and wonderful. No matter how many pounds this way or that. Why are so many people so concerned with the size of a woman instead of the shape? And why do we continue to put up with this sort of discourse? In the article Doonan talks about being gay, and generalizes on how gay men love tragic women, etc., etc. He also claims that gay men

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mirianorthwind 5 pts

I have seen reviews and critics who are calling Jennifer Lawrence (Katniss Hunger Games) "Fat-niss". It's outrageous! It's terribly wrong when a young, beautiful HEALTHY woman is called FAT! She's 5' 7" and 120 lbs.

It's so hard to maintain a sense of self confidence when the messages all around constantly tell you how inadaquate you are. I've seen interviews with Christina Hendricks (Mad Men) on what she needs to be squeezed into to get that hour glass figure.

 

Marilyn'sTabloidNews 5 pts

Size was really never an issue for Marilyn, she was a women born oozing sexuality which drew men to her like butterflies. It is a rare gift (or curse), that you either understand and use the power it brings you, or you drown in it as Marilyn did. It took seeing a 300 lb woman dancing in a bar, that got every guy in the place after her for me to realize, it is not size that matters - it is your inner sexual power and what you choose to do with it.

Barbarahughes 142 pts

I so agree about the pressure to be thinner and thinner and Marilyn is a good counter to that. She was beautiful and we need to affirm a variety of shapes and sizes as beautiful. The pressure to be thinner is insidious and I have fallen victim to it at various stages of life. We need a lot of articles like this to keep persopective. Thanks for this. Barbara

SabrinaBlogs 250 pts

In school, I was harassed for having "sleepy" eyes but as a woman they're "dreamy" or "bedroom" eyes. I was always complimented on wearing red lipstick until I got married and my husband, suddenly, felt I'd look better wearing earth tone colors and glosses. In the past, I hated being called skinny because I wanted more of an ethnic build but now, after I've gained weight, the words don't sting as much. Same eyes, same lips and basically the same body.

Like everyone else has pointed out, we can't continue to go with every wind that blows. It's like the weather in GA, if you don't like it...stick around it'll change. Once we celebrate all the little things that make us who we are and support our sisters in the same capacities I think we will view Doonan as no more than an opinion. Wanting to lose weight because I'm uncomfortable in my clothes is very different from wanting to be built like another woman...as mentioned gaining and losing doesn't work that way. I can run up and down the scale but will NEVER possess 22 inch waist. No matter what the world says is beautiful, I have to believe that I'm it and encourage everyone around me that they are as well. Thank you for posting.

YourDimeYourTime.com 6 pts

You know what's interesting? Watch any popular movie from the 1970s, 1980s, or even early 1990s. The people look REAL. They don't all have huge perfectly white, perfectly square teeth. They don't all have porcelain skin. They don't all have perfect bodies. They look like real, actual people who take care of themselves but aren't perfect.

And we wonder why all these mommy bloggers try to seem perfect..."look at me baking 30 dozen cookies a day while dressing my children in designer clothes and working out for 6 hours daily while simultaneously making a delicious, organic, locally-grown, gluten and wheat free dinner for my family after which I'll homemake cards for the elderly people at the nearby nursing home."

Because the media has created an image of people and families that is NOT real and has therefore changed our image of what is true and real. It all works together-allowing others to change how we think of ourselves, decreasing our self-worth and therefore trying to prove to others that we are "good enough."

We sure as hell don't see men worrying about this kind of nonsense!!

xoxoxoe 8 pts

YourDimeYourTime.com OMG Yes.

thosegraces 9 pts

Brilliant post! Monroe created every aspect of her look, so even though she was tiny and just barely an hourglass, she certainly accentuated her body.

Very interesting!

goddessdreams 7 pts

I am so over the body size debate, and way past over the image of blond, pale skinned skeletal "beauties" being thrown at me from every media portal that exists. I'm round, brown, and have had four children all now grown. Gravity and life have shifted my body. I'm perfectly fine with how I look, though I really have to work on the anger that wells up in me during these conversations.

Now my life is all about healing and survival as I beat the dog-mess out Breast Cancer. I could care even less now about the size and shape of my body or anyone else's for that matter. All women are beautiful, and once we internalize that truth, the jack wagons who pass themselves off as authorities on what beauty is will have no one to listen to them anymore.

Ok, rant done...and thank you for letting me blow off some steam :D

reillysmom16 6 pts

Working in retail we were advised that a woman's size was her waist in inches minus 20. That would make Marilyn a modern size 2, which is fairly tiny. It is unlikely she could have worn anything off the rack though with the exaggerated proportions she had. I think she was beautiful regardless.

Shannon Hyland-Tassava 7 pts

I'd definitely say a 22-inch waist is "tiny"! WOW. Also, how can a 35-inch bust be 36D? Does not compute. But really, all of this reiterates that women are obsessed with the sizes and weights of celebrities. Just as much today as back then, I'm sure--if not more. It's too bad we can't look at each other and realize there are many, many types of body shapes and sizes out there that fall under the categories of "healthy" and "beautiful."

brisher7 21 pts

Epiphany. I just realized how Marilyn could be a size 12. It's like when you go to try on wedding dresses and they're based on these sizes from another era.

Mizzola 11 pts

I think too much of anything is bad so of course I also think too thin = ugly. When I see really thin models and such, I think "why do you want to look like a starving homeless person?"

Al_Pal 16 pts

Wow. Sizes sure HAVE changed over the years...I wear a 12 and haven't had a 22" waist ever in memory--when I was a child, I'm sure.

And how do you have a 36D bust with a 35" measurement? That makes no sense.

Regardless, she's lovely and does provide a more attainable-seeming standard of beauty.

Jennifer Lorenzetti 7 pts

(cont)
I look at Marilyn because she is real. She is proportioned like me. I'm taller, and therefore my measurements are an inch or two bigger all around, but she is real and so am I. I can look at her and know that breasts only happen on bodies with a curve to their stomach and a roundness to their thighs.

Other than looking at retro role models like Marilyn, I really have no idea what a normal female body looks like. I sneak a peek in the gym like a curious 12 year old facing puberty, but I know that every body I see is somehow "flawed" by the standards of perfection put in front of me.

Marilyn, however, is OK. She is beautiful. Fifty years later, she is still recognized as a beautiful, sexy, healthy, ideal woman. And if Marilyn is OK, so am I.

Jennifer Lorenzetti 7 pts

Why does Marilyn matter? Because we hunger for a physical model with a body that is actually physically possible, no matter how unlikely.

I grew up in the 1980s, so I know a few things about culturally-enforced impossible body image. "You can never be too rich or too thin" leads right down the path of starving oneself, because thinner than you are right now is always better. We looked at airbrushed models with faces that didn't crease even when smiling and bodies that didn't betray a ripple of flesh, even when bending over. With the new "freedom" from restrictive undergarments like girdles, we were supposed to hit the gym and stay away from the kitchen until our bodies would conform to our clothes, not the other way around.

Today, it is even worse, as we see celebrities willing to go under the knife to have a "perfect" body that is physically impossible. Lipo out a few pounds of flesh, take a naturally-skinny body and add some breast implants: it all adds up to a "perfect" body that is boyish except for breasts of ridiculous proportion. I can't look like that. I'd have to have bone-shaving to do so -- and please, no one tell the plastic surgery industry about that idea.

tyskkvinna 10 pts

I think the reason people talk about whether or not Marilyn was fat is because it is (I think) common knowledge that she was a size 12. We look at a size 12 in stores today and look at her. If a model today were to wear the same style of clothing and have the same hourglass figure as MM and pose, she would absolutely be labelled a "plus size" model.

Without looking at the clothes in front of you, it's awful hard to discern based off of the photos. You can't tell if she's tall or short or in-between, or if those DDs are sitting above a 22" waist or a 30" waist.

We compare to her because she was stunningly beautiful and most people I know will gladly say they'd prefer Marilyn over Twiggy. But she's presented in a vacuum, with no reasonable way to compare her to the real world.. which makes the inevitable comparison against your hero basically impossible.

Maegan Tintari 25 pts

I loved this... I think the answer to your last few questions is that America and maybe "people" don't embrace their curves because they would also have to embrace "sex" and sensuality. "Twiggy" is non-threatening. To women, of course ;)

Morgan Shanahan 18 pts

Maegan Tintari I think that's a great point.

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Lana Baker

Oh, if only I could be as "fat" as Marilyn.