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Will Pie Weights Solve My Shrinkage Problem?

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Crust of Fail

Do you see this?

How the edges -- which when I crimped them practically had hospital corners -- sag like the wattle of an aged and melancholy rooster?

How the sides have crawled down and away from the pie plate as if the crust were a teenager and the plate its embarrassing mom?

How a panicky and ill-conceived last-ditch effort to sandbag the foundations with dough trimmings halfway through blind baking created a sinister snake of gluten coiled around the plate?

This is what happens when you rely on beans as pie weights.

I have never been a kitchen-gadgety type, and never considered pie weights investments. Why buy weights, I asked myself, when I can hold my crust in place with dried beans? Multitaskers! Energy-efficient! DIY!

And then I asked myself something else.

The question was, "What's for dinner?"

And the answer was, "Beans."

And here's what I now know: Pie crust requires a heaping mound of dried beans to weigh it down properly..

A scant handful of dried beans -- however delicious the rest of those beans may have been, pressure-cooked with a sprig of epazote -- scattered a top a single sheet of foil atop your dough during parbaking, and you're talking shrinkage problem.

If you're reading this and going, "Gluten snakes? Bean pie? Blind whatting the what now?" -- here's the science: Most single-crust pie crusts need to be parbaked (also known as prebaking or blind baking). You whip up your crust, roll it out, press it into the pie pan, crimp the edges, press a sheet or two of foil or parchment on top to keep the crust clean, and pile weights in there. This keeps the crust in place while it firms up enough in the oven to stand up by itself. Forgetting to weigh the crust down, or weighing it insufficiently, and your dough puffs up quickly then shrivels into something that looks like it was made out of Play-Doh by your three-year-old niece.

Lots of people use beans, or beans and rice. Good Eats and Sweet Treats uses "old socks filled with rice." Others opt for chains.

Weights that conduct heat evenly are best for crust, say the science geniuses at Cooks Illustrated, so metal or ceramic should work well. The geniuses recommend using pennies, but even with double layers of foil, I found I just couldn't put pennies on my pie. So I trotted off to the store and bought some ceramic pie weights, and then I made this:

sweet potato bourbon pie

Not perfect, but not pathetic, and that's what I'm looking for in a pie: "Not pathetic."

Other crust shrinkage preventers

  • Freeze before blind baking -- I did this. It does help, but it's definitely not a shrinkage cure-all.
  • Dock (baker's term for "poke holes in it") crust several times with a fork after blind baking -- I didn't do this (at that point it was clearly too late, though it might have served well to kill the gluten snake and/or put the entire crust out of its misery).
  • In Perfecting Pie Crust Katie of Pinch says to just spray the shiny side of a piece of foil with nonstick spray, press it firmly into the dough and bake. Sounds too good to be true, but I'm going to try it.

What techniques do you use to avoid crust shrinkage? And what does the Crust of Fail remind you of? (I have a feeling it's as good as a Rorschach.)

Note: Yes, I did bake today -- I made a buttermilk pie, and I'll tell you all about it tomorrow here on A Month of Pies (aka NaBloPieMo).

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TinaChicago 5 pts

I'm not an expert crust maker, BUT I did learn a fabulous tip at the French Pastry School (Chicago) "boot camp"... beat an egg white and use a pastry brush to brush your entire crust with it before baking (or par/blind - whatever baking), and it will have a lovely sheen and make a nice crunchy crust. It also keeps the bottom from getting soggy. You can use whole egg as well, which is what I do if I'm making quiche -- I beat one egg, use the tiny amount it takes to cover the crust, then throw the rest of that egg in with the "filling" eggs. Also poke (dock) crust WELL before baking. I've never used pie weights, and have never had crust shrinkage. Now confession time: I often use the Pillsbury crusts that are pre-made (usually near the butter in the grocery store). For a "cheat", they're actually REALLY good, and save an enormous amount of time!

grannysu 5 pts

that we needed pie weights? or baked blind? I've been making pies for 40 years and never used weights and have no clue what blind baking is. My piecrusts come out beautifully unless I get in a hurry--then they suffer.

I use butter or shortening, and have to say shortening makes a better crust. Sacrilege! But true. I also mix in ice water with a fork after I cut in the shortening or butter.A light hand with the mixing is best.

When I was a young bride of 17, a lady gave me a cookbook with a wooden cover for a wedding present. It was New England Cooking and that's where I learned to make piecrust. I still have that cookbook, over 40 years later.

Granny Sue Stories from the Mountains and Beyond www.grannysu.blogspot.com ( http://www.grannysu.blogspot.com ) susannaholstein@yahoo.com

Jean Stites 5 pts

Having made a plethora of pies myself, I'd start by recommending that you forget the fancy edge for a while and press your crust down on the rim of the pan with a fork. Your pastry has possibly pulled away due to lack of adherence. Even if you want to scallop the edge, you've still got to be sure that it's tight to the rim and pressed gently but firmly into the pan to get rid of those nasty air bubbles. Also, cold rules: my shortening stays in the fridge, my water is ice water, and I work fast on a marble slab sent to me by only recently by providence - making my pie lighter than ever, since your rolling surface is so very important. This crust of yours looks like it might also be a bit heavy on flour - possibly added during rolling, which will improve with practice, never fear! Pie weights have always been beyond my budget, while I really don't want to use them anyway, since I like it flaky. Prick it with a fork all over the bottom and sides, and if you see it puffing up in there when you peek at it, open the door, stab it with a fork, and it'll deflate enough to be fine when you fill it. I've got a pie recipe posted here on this site, should anyone care for more detail. Keep baking!

RedHawaii 5 pts

My grandmother taught me to make pie crust using self rising flour instead of all purpose flour. Keep the butter cold and work quickly. Set your pie crust and dock it really good. Bake ASAP. The crust will rise(slightly) but falls back down as it cools. Never had a bad crust. No weights needed.

rknrbn 5 pts

I have never heard of or seen such a thing! I grew up helping my mother make pies, and hers never did this. I also have been surrounded by both wonderful cooks/bakers, and again have not seen this. I myself also make pies and have a great homemade pie crust recipe. It's easy and always comes out great. I admit before I had this recipe I didn't like how my pie crust came out. Not because it shrunk though, but because I like my flaky and yet of substance. This just amazes me when I look at that picture. Just have never seen anything like it.

Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

I really do think it holds up better.

aka Honeybeast
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MealMixer 5 pts

Yesterday I made the Vodka Pie Crust ( http://tinyurl.com/257kj7p ) and used all vodka, and it worked. Blind baking it is the next challenge.

I usually use the sprayed foil AND rice (I buy cheap rice from the dollar store and it doubles as a heating bag filler). There aren't many things sadder than having your pie not shrink, but having to pick out beans which leave behind craters...

Marianne at Mealmixer ( http://www.mealmixer.com )

texasebeth 6 pts

I have heard of pie weights. I just prick the bottom of my trusty store bought frozen Pet-Ritz crust for pre-baking. I have never had this problem with that.

Elizabeth

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Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

Because it's tough to give purchase options when you list "magic" as an ingredient.

aka Honeybeast
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Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

If I dock before blind baking, it sags right away; if I dock afterward it makes the bottom crust soggy. I think I'm doin it wrong.

I used a combo of butter and (non-hydrogenated) shortening, with the water-vodka mixture Cooks Illustrated has me sold on.

I think the more you bake, the more technique you can do away with because you know what it's supposed to do. Good for you for starting early! What's your favorite pie to bake?

Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

For fallapart crusts, I recommend chilling the dough thoroughly before each time you manipulate it. (Mix it up, form it into a disk, chill; roll it out, gently lay it in the pie pan, chill; press it in and crimp, chill.)

BUT -- and this is why pie crust makes people snarl and tear their hair out, because it's so dang picky:

*Too cold and dough will break apart. It really should have the consistency of Play-Doh as you work it.

*Prebaked crust should be hot when you fill it to avoid soggy bottoms.

I should say this is all for single crust pies. I am very inexperienced with double crust pies. It freaks me out a little to put filling on unbaked dough and just toss it in the oven. I will have to get over that this month! Any pointers?

aka Honeybeast
Managing Editor, BlogHer

Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

Ceramic pie weights go everywhere when you drop a precariously sealed container. Says the person who did this at the checkout aisle at Bed Bath and Beyond. Whoops.

aka Honeybeast
Managing Editor, BlogHer

Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

What kind of pans do you use? And do you put butter in your crust?

aka Honeybeast
Managing Editor, BlogHer

Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

I decided the only way to get over my pie issue/blockage is just to do it over and over. I too have had lifelong crust issues - but they're already getting better in the first week. Doing it every day helps me remember what I did wrong before, since I've suspected for a long time that I keep making the same damn mistakes every time I make pie.

aka Honeybeast
Managing Editor, BlogHer

Julie Ross Godar 5 pts

it's just ... different.

I'm going to try out storebought pie crust and see if "cheating" that way is worthwhile!

aka Honeybeast
Managing Editor, BlogHer

beadenvy 5 pts

Whenever you bake an empty pie crust, you need to prick it before it goes in the oven. Lay your crust in the pie plate, crimp your edges and then take a fork and, slowly rotating the plate, poke holes in the sides of the crust. Poke holes in the bottom too. No weights, no beans, no socks of rice (ewwwww!), no chains. I started baking pies as a hobby when I was sixteen and must say I've never seen a pie do what yours did. What did you use for shortening?

kyooty 5 pts

I've seriously never heard of this problem. All my crusts have either fallen apart first or if that didn't happen, stayed where I put them?

Melissa Ford 5 pts

I invested in ceramic pie weights a few years ago and it made a huge difference.

Melissa writes Stirrup Queens ( http://stirrup-queens.com ) and Lost and Found ( http://lostandfoundandconnectionsabound.blogspot.c... ). Her book is Navigating the Land of If ( http://thelandofif.blogspot.com/ ).

sassymonkey 6 pts moderator

Anything but throw her pies in the oven and they turn out fine. I don't know how she does it. I think she's magic.

I can't make good pie crust. I've tried. I get frustrated. I curse. It's a good time.

Contributing Editor Karen Ballum also blogs at Sassymonkey ( http://sassymonkey.ca ) and Sassymonkey Reads ( http://sassymonkeyreads.ca ).

TW 6 pts

that not only have I not ever noticed my pie crust shrinking in my life--I have never weighted it for blind baking?

I know you should but never have known why or seen the reason for it. I seem to remember going ohhh maybe pie weights were the answer when a crust bubbled at the bottom one time...but never the shrinkage.

Retro-Food.com

JennaHatfield 9 pts

I can't even roll pie crust properly to get it to the pan. I don't know why I have such an issue/blockage with pie. I love pie! I hate cake! And I make wonderful cakes/cupcakes. BAHHH. I don't know what my MIL uses for weight.

Contributing Editor Jenna Hatfield (@FireMom ( http://twitter.com/FireMom )) blogs at Stop, Drop and Blog ( http://stopdropandblog.com ) and The Chronicles of Munchkin Land ( http://thechroniclesofmunchkinland.com ). She is a freelance writer and newspaper photographer.

Tori Jewell 5 pts

I just realized that I have never weighted a crust before. Which led me to further realize I have never made a pie crust before. I am a graham cracker crust cheater. In solidarity, I am challenging myself to make a true pie this thanksgiving. I will take all of your advice from NaBloPieMo and attempt to make an epic pie. <3