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Women Who Hunt: Personal Power or Patriarchy?

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I am fascinated by women who choose to live lives outside of culturally sanctioned norms so when I came across an article about women who hunt, I was immediately intrigued. As a city gal, I've been sufficiently immersed in the cultural image of hunting as strictly a man's domain. The veil was lifted a bit when I lived in Michigan and noticed entire families, moms and daughters included, shopping for camouflage at the local Meijer. Still, I found myself really scratching my head when I read The Huntress Club: Duck Hunting Sorority in the Swamp by Michael Brick in The New York Times.

Though I find it difficult to relate to the "swamp witches" I was curious to learn more and to try and understand their feeling of empowerment vs. my judgmental view that they've been co-opted into a perverted form of patriarchy.

Susan Williams, 52, an importer from Clinton, spoke of a pride so deep that she had felt inspired to show off her first slain duck, in frozen form, at a New Year’s Eve party.

“That’s a validation for the women,” Williams said. “A lot of people say, ‘Oh, sure, women hunt, but there are men putting out the decoys for them.’ We have our own dogs, we put out our own decoys, we do it all without power, we canoe in.”

The group had been subjected to some curious questions over the years — “Do y’all have to have a license, like males do?” one man was said to have asked — but Crews, reserved and proper, struck a more diplomatic tone.

“We’re not out to prove anything,” she said. “We just like it.”

Not everyone is willing to believe that women are in it simply for their own pleasure. The blogger FSHuntress ("Advancing the tradition of the American Outdooswoman at Field and Stream Magazine) shares a piece by "St. Louis-based freelance writer Christopher Orlet titled, The Hunt for Gray February." She shares this excerpt from the article:

"Sadly few women understand the importance of this male [hunting] ritual. Unlike the fair sex, men cannot sit on a cell phone for hours talking about what drives them crazy about other men..."

"It has been my experience that most females will demand to go hunting exactly once. Women naively see the hunt as a chance to bond with their boyfriends or husbands. Of course, their presence defeats its whole purpose which is to isolate oneself from female society for a few days, while regaining one's masculine bearings. Thus the smart men are likely to make the trip as unpleasant as possible. They may find the buggiest place in the swamp to make camp. They may choose the weekend of an expected ice storm. They will constantly remind their love-interest there is no talking allowed as it scares the game ..."

Thus my confusion - why on earth would any woman seek to participate in a culture whose main practitioners view them so shallow and dismally? However, in a way, my question answers my question. They should precisely because of that view of women. If there is something to be enjoyed in the act of hunting (I don't have to understand what it is to recognize that it is there for others), even though it is an activity that I personally would hope that nobody would enjoy nor do I see any sport in humans shooting animals, if it is a legal activity open to men, I see no reason why women would not find equal pleasure nor why they should be deprived of equal access.

With that, enough of what I think about women who hunt, let's hear from those women themselves:

Holly at NorCal Cazadora is a duck hunter and she was excited about a recent event:

But it would've been amazing to me even if I hadn't been involved as an organizer, because this duck dinner was about women - it was the Valentine's Daddy Daughter Dinner, celebrating women in waterfowling. The only thing that was cooler than all the women hunters in the room was all the little girls - dressed to the nines - who have already begun to join us in the duck blinds.

The Hunters Wife imagines what it would be like to go hunting with Holly:

If you read Holly’s blog, you can feel the passion she has for hunting. It makes a non-hunter consider hunting. And if I ever went ducking hunting with Holly,

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Virginia DeBolt 5 pts

I was an only child and my dad took me hunting and fishing. I haven't been as a adult, and I can't say I miss it. I do miss the shooting, the target practice. I'm a great shot–or I used to be.

What I most remember and miss was being in nature. Sitting by a lake listening to meadowlarks, tramping through the river bottoms hoping to see birds, camping in the high mountains looking for deer among the pine trees, tiptoeing through the brush where the rabbits hid. When my dad took me outdoors, he called it being in church.

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SCanon 5 pts

I think that Holly's comment above gives a wonderful and beautiful perspective.  I totally agree that we are too far from our food sources sometimes and are able to assume that steaks grow on steak trees.  I love the sensitivity in her comment.  Beautiful, Holly.

Maria Niles 5 pts

what a potential minefield I was stepping in. Perhaps that's why I could take a detached, observational view and avoid opening some old wounds. Thank you for your contributions to the thread!

nellewrites 6 pts

in various places over the years, sourcing from this topic.

It probably is second to Michigan Womyn's Music Festival in my experience for most incindiary topic, and so yes, kudos to everyone for such a well reasoned and respectful thread. 

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Maria Niles 5 pts

I'm thrilled to hear that this post and the generous, respectful comment thread has had a positive impact for you. Thank you so much for sharing your reaction.

It has been a wonderful experience for me, as well and one that I did not expect when I went to write it. It just goes to show that we can learn and expand our horizons in the most unlikely of places when we simply listen without judgment.

Wilma Ham 5 pts

What a great way to open views outside my own. That is exactly how I felt when reading all the comments.
It is very interesting how little we can see outside our own opinions and how this keeps us ignorant and have us loose out on certain experiences or knowledge.
I do get that hunting done with respect can contribute and will give a sense of all the interconnectedness and life cycles of nature and our own world. 
It certainly has changed my outlook on hunting and I will no longer prejudge anybody who mentions hunting AND I might extend that to other areas when I notice a strong opinion coming up. 

I would never have thought this post to go this way and I love the way that there is respect in all the comments and a real intention to explain and create awareness. 
Awesome. 

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Maria Niles 5 pts

I am very glad that you enjoyed the post and the links. It was my hope to be open to views outside my own and I appreciate your kind words and the thoughts you've shared.

Maria Niles 5 pts

Thanks, Shannon for sharing your experiences and perspective. You make a very good point that how we are raised and the culture we live in shape how we view such things. It would explain why I know guys who would be far more comfortable in a mall than out in a field with a gun in their hands ;)

sandhillsis 5 pts

Hunting or Fishing to me, is just a sport for anyone who wants to do it. I grew up loving to do both. My Dad, two brothers, and now husband and boys have NEVER made a sexist comment about me going. Instead, it's 'grab your gun/fishing pole and get in the truck.' Of course if you go, you're expected to pull your own weight. Whether it's gutting a deer or backing a boat in, or whatever, you have to pitch in and help out.

Do we sometimes do it with our same gendered friends? Sure! Nothing sexist about, that, just doing what we love with people we like to be around.

Hunting and fishing has supplied a lot of good memories, meals and family traditions here in my wheat field. It is what it is. A sport for all to enjoy, if they choose.

LOVED THIS POST and offered links.

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CajunMama 5 pts

I grew up in a family of hunters and fishers. I have a great aunt who is in her late 70s and still goes deer hunting with her husband. I'm the oldest grandchild on both sides of the family, so my angler grandmother on one side used to take me with her to Guntersville, AL during the summers I spent with her. My grandfather on my dad's side gave me my first gun and taught me how to hunt for deer, squirrels, and rabbits. This had nothing to do with being male or female, even from some old timers. I didn't take to hunting once I entered HS, but I still love to fish and my husband and I even sit out back in the evenings, fishing in our pond.

I'm glad I know how to shoot a gun, make a kill, clean it, and put it up for a meal later. If something should ever happen in this world and we have to revert back to living off the land, I know my family won't starve.

Now, as far as my husband tagging along with me as I hunt for the best pair of shoes at a good price, he's opted out of that hunting trip.

It all depends on how you are raised and what type of culture you live in. Every hunter I've ever encountered lives by a code: Eat what you kill. To many men who are avid hunters, this is their trip to the mall for a deal on a pair of shoes.

Shannon aka CajunMama

Maria Niles 5 pts

I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts with the BlogHer community. It was a pleasure to find your blog and to discover the community of women whom you've inspired and to whom you've given support. It is a world I probably never would have explored because I can't imagine I would ever participate but I'm very glad to see women in community especially through blogs which is something we are fans of here at BlogHer.

NorCal Cazadora 5 pts

Thanks, Maria, for the links. I love living outside of culturally sanctioned norms, but I don't hunt to join male culture. My core decision to hunt stemmed from a childhood in which my family raised animals for meat, and a growing unease about my disconnection from those roots as an adult. I always figured I'd start raising animals for meat someday, but then my boyfriend started hunting, and he invited me along, and I said, yes, I'll try that.

In reality, though, I hunt for way more than the meat. This is something I've written about at great length on my blog, and I don't want to repeat everything here because it would take lots of space. But I'll say this: Hunting has connected my in a deeply spiritual way to what it means to be human and to be a denizen of this planet. Most of us in highly civilized nations don't have to face the core truth of what it means to be a living being - that things must die so that we may live, be they plants or animals. When you hunt, you face it directly, and you have to work for it. And while the kill is not pleasant or joyous, I freely admit that the success is, because hunting is very difficult - the animals have superb defenses, and what we've gained in technology (guns, scopes, etc.), we've taken away from ourselves in self-imposed limits (seasons, bag limits, methods, etc.).

The other interesting side-effect of hunting that I never would have predicted in a million years is the way it's changed how I look at animals: I see them now much more as equals. I've long understood that I can become dinner to a shark or a mountain lion just as easily as a duck or a pig can become my dinner. But when you match wits against animals, you can't help but respect them tremendously. (I actually take delight in the animals that make me look like an idiot because it's just so humbling - like the time a duck flew a few feet off the ground between my boyfriend and me while we were hunting.) I know it sounds incomprehensible, but I love animals far more than I ever did before I started hunting, and certainly in a way that agriculture - a nice word for slavery - never made me feel.

And for what it's worth, most hunters eat what they kill, and there are precious few who enjoy the act of killing. I'm not the only hunter I know who apologizes to the animal i've just killed.

Enough rambling. Thanks for your discussion. When I found this, I braced myself (as I always do), and it was a pleasure to find your thoughtful remarks.

 -Holly

nellewrites 6 pts

The most avid hunter I know is the cousin of my ex, I'll refer to him by his given name initial, or 'R.'  R lives to hunt and fish.

He also happens to be one hell of a nice guy.

Several years ago, a woman in his town owned and operated a microbrewery (VT, damn good beer.) When the civil union law was under discussion for possible passage, she was interviewed on Vermont Public Television, sharing her support for the measure.

With that, the state new the brewer of that beer was a dyke. And with that, lots of folks stopped buying her beer.

A guy R knew in town told him of how he informed a local general store owner he would not shop there unless he got rid of her beer. R basically told this guy to buzz off and go to hell, defending the owner, who also happened to be a friend.

As it turned out, the staying away from her product took out her business, but R stayed a friend, stood behind her all the way.

I miss him, post divorce. Avid hunter and fisher, yet a loving and caring individual, and there is no doubt in my mind he would be all for women joining in on a hunt. 

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Maria Niles 5 pts

I agree - that view of women is deeply offensive. But as I've read more, experiences like Diana's above give me hope that, as is often the case, reality is a bit different than the exaggerated, extreme opinions that often sizzle and sell.

Thanks for your comments.

Maria Niles 5 pts

I really appreciate your comment and perspective. I am glad to hear that your experience has been positive and welcoming. I got the sense when reading links for this post that there are many men who are happy for anyone of either gender to participate in hunting as long as they play by the rules, so to speak.

Here's hoping those voices are more widely heard to those of us who are not part of your community. I don't think it will ever change most of our views on hunting but it is always good to hear messages of equality and respect.

Maria Niles 5 pts

I have an ex who played on a sports team that would purposefully schedule out-of-town games on Valentine's Day just so they could get away from the women in their lives. And I've had male colleagues who've actively excluded women from golf outings, drinks after work and other career networking opportunities.

Choosing to occasionally get together with your group is one thing, actively working to exclude women from activities that are deemed only for men is quite another.

Thanks for summing up the issue.

Maria Niles 5 pts

Thanks for your comments, Wilma. I was indeed talking about men who exclude women from their trips but also of the inherent belief of some men who believe that women should not/can not hunt. And to the degree that it is viewed as an activity that is for the purposes of providing for one's family, I think it then gets tangled up in questions of reinforcing patriarchy.

I see nothing wrong with having events that focus on particular groups. Like the women referenced in the duck hunting article, they are an all-woman group who hunts. But it's problematic if they have to do it because they are never permitted to hunt with men.

To your point, I've had all-girl spa days - it's fun, as you said, "sometimes" but I would never say that spas are for women only. And there are certainly some of my male friends with whom I'd much rather spend a day at the spa than some of my female friends.

So in the words of facebook, it's complicated, lol! Thanks again, Wilma.

Maria Niles 5 pts

Interesting questions, Denise. I'm not surprised that women choose marriage despite the patriarchal origins (though I do wish that the aspects of patriarchy that come with marriage weren't enshrined in law.) Choosing not to be all "yay marriage" is culturally difficult for women. People tend to label you a freak. ;) I'm all for people having ceremonies, observing their religious traditions and making commitments to each other, however.

Anyhow, it's interesting - I've gone fishing (and enjoyed it and enjoyed eating the fish afterward) and while I can't imagine going hunting, what's the difference? It is interesting how we think differently when it's fish and not Bambi. And though women who fish might have slightly less of a problem with being thought of as not-sufficiently-feminine, I'm sure there are many men who would love to have boys-only fishing trips and not want to include women in "their" sport.

It's all interesting food for thought and I found reading the perspectives of women who hunt illuminating. It helped me understand a bit more.

Thanks so much for getting me thinking even more!

Maria Niles 5 pts

If ya hunt, no worries, your gender remains steadfast and true, however you wish it to be.

I think you've hit on something important - in Hellen's post, linked above, she mentions many factors in hunting that involve moving beyond some of the ways in which women are either socialized to believe or thought to behave. I would guess that security in gender identity would be a necessary component in successfully becoming a woman hunter.

You are generous to offer your thoughts. I am sure there will be those who appreciate the support.

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SCanon 5 pts

I think it's wrong to always assume that a woman wanting to hunt with her man (and maybe wants to bond with him) is going to sit on her cell phone and chat, file her nails, and complain that she can't get a facial.  Couples try to share interests all the time.  It's a part of trying to be close.  That being said, my husband doesn't hunt and if he did, I wouldn't want to go simply because I would sleep the whole time.  I'm offended at the broad-sweeping assumption that I need to chew my bubble gum and chat on the phone with my friends about how much money I need to spend on my wardrobe.  Dude, seriously.  If I were insane enought to want to sit in a tree stand for hours at a time, I would at least respect what was going on and try to mimic what my significant other was doing. 

Diana 5 pts

... who lives in a rural area and attends deer camp as one of only 2 women who go yearly. (If you don't hunt, you're not allowed at camp so that cuts the female number significantly) While it's true that sexism exists and there are men who do not want women hunting and think of them as less capable at the sport, in my experience it is not the norm.

As a matter of fact, there are no special concessions made for myself or the one other woman who hunts out of our group of hunters - all good old boys who have no problem displaying for the world to see their prejudices, they're certainly not hiding anything for our sake.

 Sexism certainly still exists and feminism is necessary and will be far into the future. That said, while hunting remains male dominated it's not an area where I have seen or experienced sexism outright in any significant amount. Truth be told, I'm struggling to think of one instance at all. I think the most sexism surrounding hunting comes from those that aren't familiar with the sport itself.

Male hunters tend to be both accepting and supportive of women hunters who take the sport seriously. The sexism comes from uneducated, inexperienced men and women who hold only outdated ideas about what hunting is "supposed" to be but don't have any working knowledge themselves. It also comes as a result of women who don't take the sport seriously and try to use it as a tool in furthering their own agenda. (Those who think they can go sit in the woods and "connect" with their boyfriends making him like them better - trust me that happens more often than I even want to acknowledge *eyeroll*) 

 Quite frankly if a man tried to come hunting with me to further his own agenda and disrespected my hunting by talking, wearing cologne, or any number of other things non-hunting women often do in the same circumstance, I'd make his experience just as uncomfortable as men often do for those women in order to discourage him from coming again as well. Of course with my straight forward nature it'd be more in the form of saying outright what is and is not acceptable in the woods. 

Just my two cents.

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Liz Rizzo 5 pts

About men being jerks to discourage their interested girlfriends from hunting... and the assumption that women won't like it because they can't "chat"... Well, being with a man like that is my absolute bigger nightmare in life.

Ug.

Shorter that article: Yes, sexism still exists, and yes, we still need feminism.

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nellewrites 6 pts

I think the dishes are calling me ;-)

Um, a relationship is what two people make of it, and how they see themselves in it. SO if two people have no use for marriage, kewl... works for them. If two do, well, same feeling and view. In the end, should any of us follow either path because others do, or should we choose one or the other because we wish to? 

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Denise 9 pts moderator

but I have wondered some of the same things about fishing that you are wondering about hunting.

My ex mil is a fisherwoman because she just plain LIKES it. But, she is treated less than equally by the male members of her family and... well... it has always bugged me. But then again, they tend to be a fairly patriarchal family in general so she's used to it. (I never did get used to it, lol.)

But here's what interests me Maria - you said:

Thus my confusion - why on earth would any woman seek to participate in a culture whose main practitioners view them so shallow and dismally?

That is my question for lesbians who want to be married and straight women who choose marriage.

Why? Why join the patriarchy? Why join the institution?

Same thing. ;-)

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nellewrites 6 pts

that caught my eye in chatter.

Disclaimer readers probably wish to know: non-hunter

Social construct at work, not rigid lines of femininity and masculinity. A gun does not bestow or define gender.

While I've precisely zero interest in hunting and shooting critters, if people do this for purpose - think food - I have no issue with hunting. What does make me crazy is shooting something just to shoot something.

Along that line of thinkiing, my mind drifts back almost 30 years to when there was a proposed mourning dove season here. One supporter told the legislature 'we have to be able to shoot at something!"

Ugh. Now if the person said "we feed our families this way, or keep our grocery bill lower this way," then I can understand, and wish them well.

Back to patriarchy and women hunting selling out to same. I do not see it. If there is one thing I am for as a feminist, it is that gender walls come down, and no one is shut out of something they wish to do just because of their gender.

If ya hunt, no worries, your gender remains steadfast and true, however you wish it to be. 

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Wilma Ham 5 pts

Go Denise go, but I think in this instance Maria is talking about the hunters who don't want the women on this trip, so they can be alone.
But isn't that the same thing when women want to go to a spa without the men?
Sometimes doing things amongst one's own gender is much more fun than having the other half of humanity there.

However I too will put in my dig; a spa is civilized and hunting for fun is aweful and it shouldn't be called a sport, nor for women or men.  Amen.

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